Art and Labor

226 – Paincast

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 30 Jan 2026 20:36:26 +0000

Fresh from top surgery and other gender based procedures, Nas and OK podcast from a castle at the end of the world in Manhole-hattan. OFC the fujoshi hypebeast Heated Rivalry takes are here, reviews of the stage production of Faggots and Their Friends Between Revolutions and Prince Faggot also get their time. Mostly, the freaks …

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225 – Yaoi Con Dachau

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sun, 16 Nov 2025 21:15:42 +0000

Nas is back from Germany and tells us about the beauty of smaller anime fests in cities with functional public transit. We are turning into an anime podcast. We talked about One Piece color revolutions, Chainsaw Man, and horror manga. We also bitch about the democrats and grill Zohran cause not enough people are! The …

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224 – Dispatch from the Election Night Boris Concert

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 05 Nov 2025 19:50:11 +0000

Hey sweetie angels, how we doing under the woke Sherita law Zohrussy caliphate?? The full concert was recorded in my bag my accident! A gift for the Patreon! We saw a Hilary sticker directly after the concert, what does it mean? Cautioning us about Obama 2. We promise to keep yelling at the mayor, no …

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223 – A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Theater

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 21 Aug 2025 00:07:40 +0000

As the great band Sparks (playing in Brooklyn next month, and YES we are in the street team) once said “Everybody’s stupid, that’s for sure.” Nas and OK discuss two instances where they could have been banned from IFC, an evil place that charges $14 for beer (EVEN THOUGH THE SIGN SAYS 10!!) It’s become …

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222 – Horse Race Replacement Therapy w/ Blake Andrews

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 01 Aug 2025 23:37:32 +0000

OK called hir shot and got the Horse Race Master themselves on the pod! Blake Andrews makes incredible experimental games on the DIY community level through the independent arcade scene in NYC, and is widely published on Glorious Trainwrecks. We get into queerdo old head talk about making work for our neighborhoods despite virality on …

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221 – Pod Save Ridgewood w/ Vape Kid Jr.

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Tue, 15 Jul 2025 17:02:54 +0000

Nu Art and Labor is she/hir!! We’re graced with the multitalented drag king, puppeteer, and playwriter Ashely Pignataro aka Vape Kid Jr.!!! Fresh off the nearly sold out run of her play The Cool Zone at The Brick Theater, she lends us wonderful reflections on anti-fascist, anti-imperalist, and anti-Ru Paul transsexual art. A true kindred …

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OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 30 Jun 2025 03:49:25 +0000

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220 – TV Show (free feed audio only)

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 09 May 2025 22:39:17 +0000

Hello and welcome to Art and Labor TV!! Comrade of the show Monica Rocha has engaged our brains on even more media resources our puny brains cannot handle alone! We FUCK UP and USE THE RESOURCES ANYWAY and have SO MUCH FUN! We talk DIY, it’s very meta cause we’re also inside the concept of …

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219 – Podcast Convention

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 27 Mar 2025 21:02:40 +0000

Something is happening, we’re getting into the economics of conventions, will you join us? Will you Rambo for the library? I’m listening to Coil while I finish “Art and the Occult” :)))) What is we made a new free breakfast program?

218 – Mall Museum

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 15 Mar 2025 15:52:03 +0000

Things we talked about : Ridgewood/Bushwick border is getting a Burlington, what is Burlington?St Marks is Disney Universities are company townsLet’s dissolve ColumbiaLet’s dissolve all the universitiesWas Luigi the real shooterMayors raceLet’s leave the democratsDSA should drop the AThe ZiziansFocusing on our healthWe are taking over Middle VillageBryan Lehrer come on the show -Marshall’s good …

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217 – Clown Drag w/ Monica Rocha

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 22 Feb 2025 23:49:51 +0000

We’re join by the multimedia artist Monica Rocha aka Momo the clown aka Myrtle Widecock aka Sappho’s Trap House!! We discuss the video means of production, Britney Spears and our influences, Rambo Hochul, Paper Tiger Television and other a/v art comrades, and make a plea for David Cross to be our landlord. PLUS we review …

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216 – Music Ecology vs the Mood Machine w/ Liz Pelly LIVE

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 14 Feb 2025 22:46:17 +0000

This is the Liz Pelly interview for the real heads!! We have a (perhaps brutally) honest discussion about the state of DIY and our extractive relationship with big tech. How do we untangle? Since Silent Barn times we’ve been researching, organizing, and building alternatives. We outline some of them in a fruitful discussion of Liz’s …

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215 – Eating with Tech Money

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 03 Feb 2025 17:28:56 +0000

Can you believe it? The gang gets annoyed with another Ridgewood restaurant. Maybe it’ll make you feel at peace that the #1 podcast for trans guy divorcees isn’t really freaking out about the destruction of the federal government. It is the men behind the curtains we’re worried about. How to kill tech bros in a …

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214 – Collective Visions

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Tue, 28 Jan 2025 04:18:55 +0000

The gang’s all here. Nas is back after a brief health holiday and OK is back from Rhode Island where he was an artist resident at the Wedding Cake House. Fresh from the arms of feminist collective care, we brainstorm how to build more refuges, how to increase access to art, and generate more collective …

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Interview with Concetta Abbate

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 18 Jan 2025 23:57:39 +0000

In our new series, Kenneth interviews New York violinist and composer Concetta Abbate. They discuss coming up in a family of working musicians, her early days of subway busking, working in New York City, and becoming a death doula as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. If you enjoy this type of carefully produced content …

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213 – This Country is Unfit for Human Life

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sun, 12 Jan 2025 01:18:54 +0000

Kenneth and Marshall share one mic and OK gets his own. Big tech guys are tailoring online discourse for right wing climate change deniers. So instead of any leadership discussing decades of ecocide we’re stuck on woke homeless people. We think about Octavia Butler and Mike Davis and how it isn’t enough to know and …

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212 – The First Spectrum President

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 23 Dec 2024 16:28:49 +0000

Marshall, Kenneth, and OK in what’s maybe the most neurotic host configuration yet buzz little poems in your ears about the trains, the violence, the holigays, and prob other stuff?? I wish I could quit you, talking into microphones. Perhaps the show could improve with money, but there’s no money. I took the autism test, …

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211 – Sigh Up

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 14 Dec 2024 19:45:08 +0000

Kenneth joins us in our furry freako catbird seats to discuss Luigi’s big media moment. Could this valedicktorian fag be a fall guy? Manifesto or just a statement? Ghost gun or real gun? Why McDonald’s? Why thank the feds? Feels like a big thermometer check, how razzed up can we get, how much speech can …

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DISPATCH – Wicked Winter and the WOKE 2 ERA

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 06 Dec 2024 04:20:01 +0000

We of course have takes about the CEO shooter with a beautiful smile, but it’s paywalled 😈 Enjoy our takes on WICKED, they were FRESH AT THE TIME! We saw it OPENING WEEKEND, FOR ONCE! Our beautiful friends Chris Person, Andrea Guinn, and Fontaine Capel were there!! We also talked about the Bidens at the …

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210 – Let a Thousand Jokers Bloom

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 23:57:00 +0000

This episode we build out the theory that film is dead, and everything is now a collage/humiliation ritual. Comic book characters are fun little guys we should all get to play with. The People’s Joker does not exist in a vacuum, there must be more. Todd is too much of a loser to imagine a …

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209 – ART AND LABOR CONVERTS TO CATHOLICISM

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sun, 03 Nov 2024 12:33:44 +0000

There’s a new Venom movie and you know what that means, Kevin is back!!! Apologies to all the #symbrock heads, we watched it after recording this 😫😫😫 Our verdict was go see it!!! We do render judgement over less important stuff like the US election and the Vatican. Who are YOU writing in for American …

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208 – The Trans Bourgeoisie

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Tue, 22 Oct 2024 13:49:16 +0000

The trans online commentariat went nuts over comrade of the pod Charlie Markbreiter’s new piece in The Nation “The Harris Campaign Has Offered Trans People Almost Nothing” so Nas and OK decided to read it aloud for you dear listener! Fresh tranny intelligentsia takes to do politics with! Write these down: single payer healthcare is …

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DISPATCH – Carousel Killer Investigation Log

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 18 Oct 2024 16:17:44 +0000

Lookn, we’re really behind. Please enjoy this crazy sound collage featuring a futch study of the Korn show in New Jesery, a search for the Carousel Killer at a trash bridge punk show, and an interview with THE Crackhead Barney. For more pics of these beautiful nights check out this recent SCENE and HIR’D post. …

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207 – Radical Centrists

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 23 Sep 2024 17:38:07 +0000

Longtime listeners will know how tinfoil hat we were about tech before the mossad pager terrorist attack, but now we’re straight up ready to go terrestrial radio, so keep an eye out for that equipment gofundme! Does the new Trump shooter speak for all liberal boomers? Conner O’Malley is a visionary. We’re divesting from flagship …

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206 – The Carousel Killer

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 20:09:16 +0000

Hey fam it’s the 9/11 episode. Be fucked up or sad about it, whatever the tone barometer’s at this year. For me? Personally? It’s death to the west all day. Xi, do you hear me zaddy? Put me in shifu. We watched that republican primary ass debate for some reason. Trumpism is dead, is this …

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205 – Vienna Report Back

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 30 Aug 2024 01:58:15 +0000

Nas is back from Austria! OK is back from Toronto and the WRATH autonomous zone! And these freaks are WORN OUT, but ready to gab up a storm about democrats, demon rats, democracy, the cops, and strategies. It’s really sick and gross to watch public institutions and services collapse. It’s disgusting to watch the pigs …

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204 – Millennial Sandwich Shop

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 05 Aug 2024 22:04:35 +0000

We’re joined by former West Coast farm kid and current UMAW member Kenneth of Slashed Tires fame!!! We should have put one of their songs as the ending but instead we got obsessed with Tommy Tone’s Brian Wilson mix. We have bad brains! We talk about trans celebs having geopolitical takes, stop & shop, and …

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203 – brat tamer

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 26 Jul 2024 20:59:09 +0000

Welcome to the frontline defense of the Women First movement. Nas, Marshall, and OK have gone third wave terf as brat summer sets into, and you heard this here first, KAMALAUTUMN. Get those 🍉 out, the 🌴 genocide is IN! We do some insane future casting about the America’s next top Ghaddfi, the new Democrat …

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202 – I HOPE THEY BOTH DIE 2024

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 18 Jul 2024 03:58:39 +0000

Taylor Lorenz please retweet this!! DADDY NEED CLOUTY!! Welcome to vroom vroom room with OK and Nas. The two baddest tboys in podcasting are OFF LEASH on field recorder spitting takes on Biden covid, Trump bullet, and the losers who sit and post all day (NOT ME THO, I’M DIFFERENT.) If you crave HOTTER takes …

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201 – Welcome to Ridgewood, Duck! Mother Fucker

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:06:43 +0000

Nas is on the dating apps, Marshall gets drafted into the trash pickers union, and OK gets called a dirty hippie 🥵 All pretty routine, episode 200 should prob be more special than this? So I freaked it. HEY NEW YORK ARE YOU READY FOR BRAT SUMMER *GUNSHOT* MY RENT IS TOO HIGH VENMO @0K-FOX FOR …

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199 – Homo Homogenous

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:03:35 +0000

OK is global homo now, and with that cums the vicious self critique. We’re synthesizing new levels of half Jewish half Catholic guilt, and it still isn’t kinky enough for the fascist Eurofags. Berghain zionists hate our freedom. Nas saw the Manhattan mainstream media playground firsthand at the Tribeca Film Fest, where they mistook Pisspiggranddad …

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198 – Bagel Snackcast w/ Linda Felcher

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 30 May 2024 21:50:01 +0000

This was gonna be paywalled, but it’s way too main episode vibe so no reason to assign it a gender. BIG ep for the New York nationalists out there. Trump’s guilty verdict is the latest notch in his New Yorker cultural cache, but in this episode we talk about his relationship to theater, how it …

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197 – Assassination & Assimilation

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 18 May 2024 03:40:36 +0000

The crew discusses the inevitable Jewish civil war between the surge of nuclear families (zionism) and cringe polycules (New York cultural secularism.) I think we also advocated for a Hot Hot Heat revial, but that might have been the paywalled episode, you can find that here. Wow! Every day is an adventure with Art and …

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196 – Layers of Unreality

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 08 May 2024 13:38:18 +0000

Precarity and propaganda. Becoming unhuman. The trans internet illuminati emerges in flesh. Nepo baby class traitors. Escape, find alternative ways to live. The media is a vicious tool designed to hurt us, use us to hurt them. Do your own research. Bridgework makes the Ridgework. If you like us, please consider spreading the good word! …

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195 – Institutions? More like Instant Two Shits!! w/ Nas

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:40:11 +0000

The new era of Art and Labor cuntinues to shape up with Marshall and OK grooming holocaust, memory, and internet studies scholar Nas to become a new Nakama of the pod-ship. We ask them about so-called progressive Jewish institutions failing to recognize genocide or even twisting “never again” as a disgusting attempt to justify the …

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194 – Physical Media

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 18 Apr 2024 23:28:38 +0000

Iconic bald guys Marshall and OK are back, and this week they rant poetic about physical media. Who is speaking with authority? Is it us? Is it Tavi Gevinson? Is it the New York Times? Is it whoever is telling the New York Times to censor certain words and whoever is telling Tavi to pay …

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193 – Suck by Suck West

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 04 Apr 2024 03:14:09 +0000

Art and Labor 2 is back! We take a second to decompress and to welcome new cohost Marshall, who’s talking to us today about United Musicians and Allied Workers. The group recently had campaigns bringing attention to SXSW underpaying artists and taking money from the Department of Defense. We talk about building alternative spaces and …

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192 – Not in Our Name

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:38:31 +0000

(sorry for bad mic this ep) OK and Sarah warm up the engine a little with a conversation leading from, and leading to, the ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza as wespeak. What is to be done? We weigh the options- mostly, do what youcan, some of which is going to involve the heavy and …

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190 – Netflix’s One Piece w/ Alex Degen and Alec Robbins

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 21:41:57 +0000

OK and Sarah are joined by two of our absolute favorite cartoonists Alex Degen and Alec Robbins to discuss One Piece both as a comic😤 and as content😩. Alec’s fantastic thread on the “corporate experiment” that is Netflix’s One Piece prompted this excellent convo on art education, WGA/SAG actions, and flattening of culture that happens …

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189 – Art Work and Sex Work w/ Jin

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 18:23:35 +0000

OK’s Disclaimer Gallery comrade Jin is in town from Hawaii and updates us on the situation in Maui, their community care work, and the Be Easy Stay Safe zine made for and by sex workers. Please follow and support Jin’s work on their Instagram. Content warning: we discuss experiences of transphobic and racist discrimination, as …

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188 – Fagcon w/ Eric Kostiuk Willams

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 19:16:29 +0000

OK Fox and Eric Kostiuk Willams return with a recap of festival season. We have criticisms and praises for Flamecon in NYC, Queer Trans Zine Fest in Providence, and Small Press Expo in Bethesda. We also discuss All Dolled Up, an event Eric did the poster for and OK attended in an act of rebellion against attempts …

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187 – Anon Anon Meeting

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 16 Aug 2023 06:37:57 +0000

Know us by our sacred form; as Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos; yuanshi tianzun, lingbao tianzun, daode tianzun; final fantasy 10, final fantasy 10-2, final fantasy 10-3 (on ao3, lulu is in a reeducation camp, yuna is given more guns)— and yes, at times in the form of OK, Lucia, and Sarah on Art and Labor: Audio …

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186 – ART AND LABOR 2

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 02 Aug 2023 23:24:51 +0000

One of us saw Barbenheimer and one of us didn’t. Wouldn’t you know it, that doesn’t stop the take machine from churning here on the new and improved ART AND LABOR 2. That’s right! We have emerged from our chrysalis to influence hearts and minds on a plane of evolution that was higher than before. …

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185 – Third Eyes ACTIVATE!

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 14:47:19 +0000

Remember back in the day when we used to wax philosophical about the meaning and role of art? Oh you don’t, because this is the first episode you’ve ever listened to? Well buckle up, cuz Lucia printed a new edition of their screed, and they’re here to inculcate the youth. OK leads the OG duo …

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184 – Fighting IRL

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 15 May 2023 14:39:05 +0000

LUCIA IS BACK!!! We talk about navigating the art world during a recession. Is the way forward through Kung Fu?? Notice that the stiffest tree is most easily cracked, while the bamboo or willow survives by bending with the wind. FOLLOW OUR TWITCH WE DID STUFF THERE OVER THE BREAK If you like the podcast …

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183 – Devil Deals

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 04 May 2023 04:07:15 +0000

Hello!! Welcome back to the fold, sweet lambs, I missed you terribly so…what’s your year been like, kids? Today’s Art and Labor is for the fans, and also the haters, who have neglected to call me even once while I was gone…….this week we’re cutting it up (hard) on how Scientific Management (Taylor’s Version) mysteriously …

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S01E02 I Couldn’t Help But Gossip

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 09 Mar 2023 18:58:28 +0000

Strap on your leather necklaces, OK Fox and Eric Kostiuk Willams are back. Each week we compare and contrast episodes of Sex and the City and Gossip Girl. Join our journey through New York history, find love, AND labels. The good show has a femcels into video art porono, the bad show is a bunch of HR …

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I Couldn’t Help But Gossip S01E01

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 23 Feb 2023 19:21:39 +0000

Hey podcastsiders, welcome to our brand new show! Each week we will compare and contrast episodes of Sex and the City and Gossip Girl. Join our journey through New York history, find love, AND labels. Don’t worry! Art and Labor isn’t going away, just on hiatus until we’re all well rested enough for new episodes …

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182 – I See You

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 13 Jan 2023 01:42:29 +0000

To hear our take on Andrew Callaghan and This Places Rules please support us on Patreon. 2022 was hard on your Art and Labor crew- so we wanted to start the new year with the most “le fantastique” thing we could think of, a world of endless possibilities, a place where magic could exist, a …

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181 – Gossip Girl Fanfic Novella w/ Charlie Markbreiter

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Tue, 13 Dec 2022 16:20:22 +0000

Hey Upper East Siders. The gossip gxrlies are here, and they’re queer stoners now. Our main characters are #1 Charlie Markbreiter, author, PhD candidate, editor at The New Inquiry, and mod of the Death Panel Discord #2 O.K. Fox, Sonic the Hedgehog fetishist and degenerate podcast host. Together they synthesize why white trans guys are …

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180 – Artists in Times of War

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 03 Dec 2022 19:52:45 +0000

It’s the Christmas reunion special! And how else to possibly celebrate the reason for the season but a long hard look at the Ukranian Russian conflict whose escalation this year has injected so much misery into our lives? That’s right folks, Lucia’s back for one night only, coming out of their well as an update …

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179 – Joker Proletarianism w/ Vera Drew

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 24 Nov 2022 05:54:19 +0000

This week Art and Labor is joined by Vera Drew, director of The People’s Joker, history’s most anticipated queer-coming-of-age indictment of the contemporary comedy landscape through the lens of Batman’s Rogues Gallery. We yak it up with Vera over the stunning consistency Ben Folds has to the queer experience, the tenderness of her relationship with …

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178 – Music & Labor Penny Fractions Panel w/ David Turner, Joey La Neve DeFrancesco, and Phillip Golub

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 17 Nov 2022 00:14:56 +0000

OK opens this panel by accosting the Nowadays crowd, a necessary struggle session to ground the conversation physically to art venues’ position to PR, finance, and real estate. We then discuss strategies and wins from music worker organizing with members of Union of Musicians and Allied Workers and Music Workers Alliance. We are honored to …

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177 – One Piece Film Red w/ Sam Branman & August Lipp

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 09 Nov 2022 19:13:56 +0000

OK enlisted two of his favorite One Piece freaks—fashion designer and DJ/Producer of Str8 to DVD Sam Branman, and cartoonist August Lipp—to talk critically about the most popular series on the planet who many (present company included) have enjoyed for 15+ years. Although the movie is a big commercial for a vtuber, it has a …

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176 – How NGOs Fail Us w/ Nick

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 03 Nov 2022 18:47:05 +0000

Everyone’s favorite psedo-anonymous arts organizer Nick returns with a thoughtful critique and history of what the group INCITE! coined “the Non-Profit Industrial Complex.” We discuss many of the points from the 2007 (😭 ) manifesto including how NGOs monitor and stunt the power of social movements, allow the ruling class to mask their exploitation through “philanthropy,” …

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175 – Cultural Perverts w/ Sessa Englund

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 29 Oct 2022 21:40:24 +0000

*come to our live show nowadays 11/9* Woop woop! OK is joined by longtime collaborator, fellow Sparks fan, and prolific artist of many materials including blown glass, jeans, wood carvings, and marzipan—Sessa Englund! It’s a Halloween festival of takes about culture, masculinity, and that ol’ chestnut “can an art space serve the public over capital?” …

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174 – Coolest Neighborhood in Hell

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 00:48:35 +0000

The Band in Hell by Electric Six The band in hellPlays all night longIt’s a sold out showAnd there is only one song There is no rhythmAnd there is no rhymeIt goes on foreverUntil the end of time And now the devil he plays guitarAnd Hitler plays the drumsI’m the man on the microphoneThis is …

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173 – Liberate Westchester

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Tue, 27 Sep 2022 15:26:25 +0000

Fall has felled us once again, and it’s time to ask yourself: what if you went ahead and displayed the target goth home accessories year round? Would you be a better or worse person for it? What would Bjork’s new album do? This week we do some processing over whether the entropy death of neighborhoods …

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172 – Nightcore over Hyperpop

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 15 Sep 2022 23:36:18 +0000

A message to the people of Bushwig: BREAK THE CHAIN, ANNEX MASPETH. What is this episode? If I recall correctly we discuss how capitalists attempt to resolve what communist art theorist Adam Buttrick calls “the Bad Vibes Contradiction” through crypto, AI, Canva, and other data vultures in the culture industries. Chelsea Manning DJs Nightcore, not …

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171 – Adam Driver IS Yaoi

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 06:29:46 +0000

A special presentation for all the “social-sim” listeners- take a deep breath, and when you’re ready, slowly close your eyes to imagine yourself in a world where your friend is high out of their mind, and yet still able to set up a mixer? What if someone took longer to explain the plot of a …

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170 – Nathan For Art 2 w/ Alec Robbins & Hannah Guerrero

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 22 Aug 2022 14:30:39 +0000

The long-awaited part 2 of A&L’s side pod, Fielderwatch, taking on the series finale of The Rehearsal with twitter’s most famous husband, Alec Robbins, and friend of the pod and union-certified painter of tunnels onto walls Hannah Guerrero! For a show that adores how tv gets made, it equally adores the psychological trauma of doing …

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169 – Dog Soldiers w/ Spike Einbinder & Khamara

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 15:08:12 +0000

You’ve had your hot girl summer, white boy summer, and if you’re anything like us, you’ve still tossed and turned in your ac-less bedroom, dreaming of something greater. That’s why we’re partnering with the UN Gift Garden to present- Mastaba Snoopy Nonbinary Freak Summer! And kicking it off this week OK and Sarah are joined …

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168 – Nathan For Art

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:50:21 +0000

OK and Sarah this week cover the first two episodes of Nathan Fielder’s new video art collection The Rehearsal and larger labor politics of cast and crew, the work’s relationship to his former practice on Comedy Central, and the 2010 Tino Sehgal performance of This Progress at the good ‘ol famously liberatory Gug. Do you …

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ART AND LABOR PRESENTS: ON MOE (preview)

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 20 Jul 2022 23:46:11 +0000

We’re joined by distinguished panelists Beatrix Urkowitz and O Horvath, Kirby pornographer and Furry toy maker respectively, for a discussion we’re calling “On Moe.” Within anime fandom—what is appropriate and why? In this clip our guests bring great insights from the radical feminist writer Joanna Russ and an accidental Deleuzean analysis of Kirby. The rest …

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167 – Who Archives the Internet Archive w/ O Horvath

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 14 Jul 2022 20:36:20 +0000

Artist, librarian, and furry historian O Horvath (aka Popple) is BACK! We discuss a YouTube video with over 270k views that believes the Renaissance was either made by computers or a mystical power—ancient alien cranks also racist against Italians. Public education is clearly failing, and even though libraries and archives will not save us, we …

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166 – Euphoria Highschool Student Union (Part 1)

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 23:37:16 +0000

Get ready to be triggered ’cause watched HBO’s Euphoria to join what feels like a mass movement to re-live highschool as self harm. An exploitative show about exploitation, all shot on film for an extra 20k per episode. Gilded age 2 baby, get on the combination MetroNorth/LIRR and lfg!!! We do a quiz in part …

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165 – A Generous Grift w/ Sam Lefebvre

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:15:40 +0000

Fan favorite Sam Lefebvre’s newest work, the three-part series “A Generous Grift” for San Francisco-based community art space The Lab, is finally all here! We here at A+L felt the spacetime ripple from the upload and bolted awake in a cold sweat. Taking a magnifying glass to some particularly local, incredibly bold, and somehow publicly …

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164 – TCAF Dispatch w/ Graham

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:41:15 +0000

We brought in writer and certified Canadian Graham (@GrahamSig) to discuss the bittersweet bummer that is the current state of the Toronto Comic Arts Festival. He shares over 10 years of TCAF memories with us, which is extremely helpful to the analysis we’ve been trying to pull out of our asses about the YA-ification of …

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163 – Groomer Pride w/ Joey De Jesus

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:59:30 +0000

OK catches up with fan favorite fourth mic Joey De Jesus (@DeJesusSaves) to talk Pride month, gossip about NYC local elections/budget woes, and the trap of Puerto Rican statehood. Would you join the Queer liberation army? There’s gonna be sparkly maces involved! Also we’re leaning into groomer, it’s gonna be a whole problem. The establishment …

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162 – Gun Cube Enclosure

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 03 Jun 2022 02:36:39 +0000

I’m just asking questions- what if it all turned out to be lead the whole time? Generation theory: just lead? 20% chance of causing runaway climate collapse in this century, and people really want to get on our ass because of an insatiable desire (well, technically very satiable) to eat a Blake straight from the …

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161 – The Wretched of the Multiverse

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sun, 22 May 2022 23:54:05 +0000

OK gives Sarah a full Toronto report: new Kids in the Hall p good, Canada does not understand iced coffee or hanami, “New York” mode is real and you can harness it to mixed success, and alt comix lanlord art appears as TCAF is being shock doctrine’d?? We eventually get to our review of Everything …

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160 – Living Our Fontosy w/ Popple

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 27 Apr 2022 20:31:36 +0000

We’re back! And we brought the artist and vtuber sometimes known as POPPLE (aka swordsinverted). Get ready for your shift at the pussy eating factory, ’cause we’re on some sort of deranged queer Stalinism kick. We discuss information and cultural preservation work, living in punk houses, big tech in anime, and the escalation of the …

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159 – Fire in the Disco

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 05:05:39 +0000

A return to definitely a type of form, the Galleria caucus of Art and Labor (OK and Sarah) reckon with the eternal struggle of Knowing They Did A Gentrification To Bushwick. You, reader, however, are now yourself trapped in my web, unable to stop passively reading this sentence, which is that Kylie Minogue always has …

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158 – World of Statecraft w/ Eric Kostiuk Williams

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 21 Mar 2022 04:09:31 +0000

Our Canadian/Britney correspondent (and brilliant cartoonist) Eric Kostiuk Williams is back! We wildly speculate on the Grimes Chelsea Manning e-girl royal wedding, and navigate the messy state of traveling in covid times. Western countries have clearly given up on virus mitigation, how are we taking care ourselves as we’re forced under demonic spell of 𝔢𝔠𝔬𝔫𝔬𝔪𝔦𝔠 …

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157 – Tim Epic’s Bandcamp w/ David Turner

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 16:39:57 +0000

Music business criticism expert, creator of the fantastic Penny Fractions newsletter, and honorary co-host David Turner is back to discuss the depressing merger of Bandcamp and Epic Games. Can companies maintain consciousness? What role does giant multinational corporations like Tencent and Apple play in the geopolitical sphere? Are Fortnite dances going to overtake the petrodollar …

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156 – The Art Worker Organizing Movement

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:41:33 +0000

We were mentioned in enemy of the show the New York Times by friend of the show Zachary Small! The movement to organize art and cultural workers has been steadily growing despite pandemic setbacks, how do we feel about it? We promise to never do the cis white art bro thing and claim to be …

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155 – Jackass Cultural Studies w/ Sean J Patrick Carney

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 17 Feb 2022 15:47:14 +0000

Fresh off an empty post-industrial mall cinema viewing, we discuss the Gesamtkunstwerk Jackass Forever with lauded expert in the field of suburban whiteboy studies, Sean J Patrick Carney (@ripcytwombly.) We’re clearly very psyched to have the original “I’m Ira Glass. Welcome to Jackass” on the show to wax insanity about queer theory, masculinity, PTSD, and …

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Constructing the Real’s Art Worlds – Anime Music Videos: an Artform and Culture

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:24:18 +0000

WATCH IT HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYO_uyLqPu4&t=3137s Are AMVs proletarian or free fandom labor for multinational media companies? Where do Anime Music Videos sit in Hito Steyerl’s “an alternative economy of images” and can someone be the Dziga Vertov of AMVs? Are AMVs subjected to a particular nation state? This is the second session of Constructing the Real’s …

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154 – Socialist Fanfiction w/ Shawn Escarciga aka Miss Ladysalad

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 03 Feb 2022 23:16:24 +0000

Performance artist, meme maker, genius Shawn Escarciga (aka @Missladysald) enters the pod chamber. We discuss better practices for indoctrination like yassifying Rennesme and putting goatse Marina Abramovic on a t-shirt. Can we do successful bait and switches with the PMC? Is it possible to isolate the radical nuggets inside everyone via the social media brain stem hookup? Let’s find …

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153 – Earth II

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 27 Jan 2022 04:57:34 +0000

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to they/thems… It is a dimension as vast as the list of tags on Archive of Our Own and as timeless as Spongebob backpacks… It is the middle ground between “kirsten dunst opening a book to hunters in the snow” and “going full ted”, between …

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152 – Larry’s List, Biennial Man

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sun, 23 Jan 2022 21:34:50 +0000

Wanting to fuck candy is the ultimate drive of any American, are we not just all in a snow globe within Ed Bernays mind palace? Turns out tailoring artmaking to surveillance state media platforms was bad for culture and our psyches?? Join us at the intersection of self-flagellation and market-driven analysis this week and learn …

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150 – Tarot for US Empire

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 23:01:04 +0000

Plants have been here longer than people and they have some wisdom to share! Last time we did tarot it was a big hit so we’ve conjured a truly intense reading for the future of America. How will the death go down? It’s honestly beautiful to think about, but before that we talk nu nu …

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149 – Funny Monkey

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 07 Jan 2022 04:17:25 +0000

Wanna hear us be on one? Then press play, and subscribe to our patrons only feed if you want to find out what cube you are on our brand new premium pod “QUIZILLA 2” ⚠️ ALERT: JOIN OUR SCHOOL, NEW CLASSES DROPPING SOON! Please reach out to join the discord for “Constructing the Real” NOW! If …

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148 – Pivot to Metaverse w/ David Turner and Liz Ryerson

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 30 Dec 2021 19:51:14 +0000

Welcome to the Garden of Theory and Praxis, the Graveyard of the Vibes, the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth, it’s Art and Labor! Joined by champions of the pod David Turner of Penny Fractions and Liz Ryerson of The Blood Zone, we reckon with teleology and …

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147 – Holiday Special Event

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sun, 19 Dec 2021 04:14:30 +0000

Please enjoy this poetry. A behind the scenes origin story, details that give context for this journey. Violence. If you like the podcast and want more, please consider supporting us: https://www.patreon.com/artandlabor. Follow us on twitter and instagram. You can contact Art & Labor atartandlaborpodcast@gmail.com. Please reach out to join the discord for Lucia school “Constructing the Real” Also! Write us a review …

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146 – Mr. Beast’s Serfs (Part 1)

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 09 Dec 2021 22:24:57 +0000

Well pholks, know that we tried this week- a hot and fresh Art and Labor from our minds to yours! OK tries to “read” (personally never heard the term) an article to Lucia and Sarah about the Metaverse, and since this is as spoiler-free space, let’s say we might get to that. Total y2k vibes …

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145 – How To Become Middle Class

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 22:20:38 +0000

Participation trophy caucus of A+L (OK and Sarah) discuss How To with John Wilson’s first episode of their new season, “How to Invest in Real Estate”. We truly love John Wilson, he’s our generation’s neurotic New York white guy, but not a scumbag. As we pray for his career to continue to flourish, let’s do some critical …

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DISPATCH – while you were partying

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:30:17 +0000

Warning for live human shit, sexual trauma, suicide, anger, and misery. We had a night on the town to see the new off Broadway production “while you were partying” by Peter Mills Weiss and Julia Mounsey with Brian Fiddyment at Soho Rep! Its a fantastic new play for the irony poisoned, N64 modding, suicidal incel …

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144 – Mormonism 3 w/ Matt Stephenson of Machine Girl

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:19:01 +0000

Welcome to Art and Labor your #1 source of queer nu metal speculation and investigation. Nostalgia is the reason for the season so we’ve brought on fellow scholar of early 2000s media, Matt of Machine Girl. Turns out genres are just genders! We host an open dialog on our common areas of expertise, Spiderman Elsa …

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143 – Fred Durst, Queer Icon

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 05 Nov 2021 02:39:16 +0000

Strap on your headsets! OK, Lucia and Sarah sit around the ol vr hot tub with you, the faceless facebook mii we serve. This week we wanna tell you the good news! about our RPS fic featuring your favorite fuzzy childhood Nu Metal Queer Icons, the intersection between Bushwick Nationalism and Operation Paperclip, and yes, …

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142 – Alec Takes w/ Alec Robbins

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 28 Oct 2021 20:42:17 +0000

The id must flow! On today’s episode OK and Sarah talk to cartoonist of Mr. Boop fame Alec Robbins about the on-going mass personae of twitter and irl experiments with identity via Halloween/anime conventions (we should probably read Capitalism and Schizophrenia, idk) Cosplay is just Halloween in the expanded field. Alec, the good one, updates …

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141 – Save Mills College

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 19:52:27 +0000

Mom (Joey) left $20 on the counter so Lucia and Sarah are eating powdered donuts for dinner, joined by special guests Hannah Bluhm and Dani Castone, two Mills College Alumni with the scoop on the school’s latest implosion. From farming the school’s history of an inclusive, diverse student body to buff up degree mill stats, …

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140 – Fake Art Friends

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 15:16:42 +0000

Don’t tell them we told you this, but even though we got the best art friend split heart necklace with jerry saltz at the Manhattan mini mall last week, we actually think YOU’RE our best art friend, we just feel bad for them and our mom made us do it. This week Lucia, OK and …

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139 – Labor Theory of Goop Value w/ Kevin Stuart

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Sat, 02 Oct 2021 00:10:27 +0000

The goop is class consciousness. Painter and nu-metal expert Kevin Stuart came to visit us in NYC! The main point of his trip was to see Venom 2 (which we saw after this ep so it’s spoiler free!) Kevin and Lucia have been working synthesizing Venom and Marxist thought for the past couple of years, …

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138 – Organizing Art Worker Power w/ Jessalyn Aaland

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 19:12:52 +0000

The gang is joined by former SFMOMAunion bargaining committee member, and current artist and educator Jessalyn Aaland! We have a lovely discussion around her beautiful and informative risographed booklet series Organizing Power (contents available for free to institution and nonprofit workers interested in unionizing their workplaces!!). You wanna hear STRATEGY? We have OPINIONS. Get the …

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137 – Walters Workers United

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 17 Sep 2021 02:08:54 +0000

Art and Labor is joined by members of the union-to-be of Baltimore’s Walters Art Museum, the Walters Workers United! OK and Lucia interview Ruby, Garrett, and Allison (who we unfortunately lost connection with!) about their path towards worker organization- from your standard total mismanagement of COVID in 2020 to toxic fumes passing staff out; dealing …

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136 – Laughing at Pain w/ Caroline Bennett of Stice

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 10 Sep 2021 19:07:34 +0000

Content warning right at the top we talk about heavy stuff like addiction and sexual abuse, but also this conversation is really funny like an episode of Stella comprised of three art freaks instead. Please follow Caroline (@sticesticestice) and stream Stice for clear skin. Did you know? Your favorite artist’s former girlfriend probably makes amazing …

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135 – Zombie Transgression

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 02:59:18 +0000

Transgression: who is she? Is she real? Is she dead? OK and Lucia are back to their roots, being ON ONE. Covering a range of topics that all make sense together I swear. We start with the Laura Kipnis essay “Transgression, an Elegy” which is difficult to separate from Kipnis herself, the fucking harper’s letter …

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134 – Britney and Liberation w/ Eric Kostiuk Williams

OK Fox & Lucia Love — Fri, 27 Aug 2021 00:16:02 +0000

I have a particular love of songs about how much it sucks to be famous, and true story was the world’s worst English teacher at a summer camp in China and made a bunch of mystified 12 year olds watch the video for Lucky like four times in a row to do a really bad …

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